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RSQBUZZ

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03/07/2008 12:25 AM
Admin1 said... RONPITTS said... What channel is the crew on ? Shouldn't rescue/tower/starter,driver be on the " A " channel and the crew/driver be on " B " channel. In my example Channel A is the IHBA channel only Channel B is shared for comunication channel for the IHBA Start and or Rescue to comunicate to the driver, the driver cannot talk back over this channel and will comunicate if needed by the old fashion way by hand signals. The purpose is to elimnate the issuse we had last fall when the driver could not hear the starter to shut down the motor the course is RED. The reciver is a two channel RECEIVER therefore channel "C" is for the team comunications only. So to recap IHBA operates on several channels but for this sample Rescue/Starter/Tower has private channel called A and shared channel called B for comunicating with the driver (the crewchief can also have this option to listen in) The drivers RECIEVER is a 1-way channel B and C is a 2-way channel with crewchief Crewchief has 2-way channel C and/or optional reciver channel B OK but my question is what if the driver has switched to channel C to talk with his crew and rescue is trying to reach him on B. Will they over ride the channel C. Does the driver have to manually switch channels? I know what a pain in the A$$ it is to operate on multi channels from working on rescue with the SLDBA and trying to run an event. What if you don't switch back after going to C or B then all of this is for not. We went to using a bull horn (so they can hear) and the driver should be looking at the lights. If it is RED then you shut it down no if, ands, or buts. the old term KISS KEEP IT SIMPLE. *RSQBUZZ*

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03/07/2008 2:56 AM
RSQBUZZ said... OK but my question is what if the driver has switched to channel C to talk with his crew and rescue is trying to reach him on B. Will they over ride the channel C. Does the driver have to manually switch channels? I know what a pain in the A$$ it is to operate on multi channels from working on rescue with the SLDBA and trying to run an event. What if you don't switch back after going to C or B then all of this is for not. We went to using a bull horn (so they can hear) and the driver should be looking at the lights. If it is RED then you shut it down no if, ands, or buts. the old term KISS KEEP IT SIMPLE. ReqBuzzz does rescue carry a bull horn on the boat too??? I agree with the Kiss concept. Since it appears that the few who feels this is a conflict with the communication between crew chief and driver how about this... The crew chief has the reciever, hear the starter or rescue and communicates to the driver to give hand signal to starter or rescue and if they don't do so in a set time frame the crew chief gets fined each time $100

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03/07/2008 5:47 PM
Admin1 said... RSQBUZZ said... OK but my question is what if the driver has switched to channel C to talk with his crew and rescue is trying to reach him on B. Will they over ride the channel C. Does the driver have to manually switch channels? I know what a pain in the A$$ it is to operate on multi channels from working on rescue with the SLDBA and trying to run an event. What if you don't switch back after going to C or B then all of this is for not. We went to using a bull horn (so they can hear) and the driver should be looking at the lights. If it is RED then you shut it down no if, ands, or buts. the old term KISS KEEP IT SIMPLE. ReqBuzzz does rescue carry a bull horn on the boat too??? I agree with the Kiss concept. Since it appears that the few who feels this is a conflict with the communication between crew chief and driver how about this... The crew chief has the reciever, hear the starter or rescue and communicates to the driver to give hand signal to starter or rescue and if they don't do so in a set time frame the crew chief gets fined each time $100 Don't get me wrong I think this is all in good intention but they have not thought it all the way out before they make it a rule. First off if RESCUE is moving then there is a problem "some where" as a driver I need to be concsious of the fact that it may be me. If i am on fire, my crew &$# well better be telling me (on the radio) same if I am sinking. If I am in an open boat I better know myself or I don't belong there. If it is the fact that the starter can not be heard then use current technology to make him/her louder. PA on the start barge. In the long run alot less expensive on everyone and does the same thing. As for the last part of your post. The driver should be ready to RACE when he/she moves in the the STAGED Position. If the started tells you to watch the lights and you not ready you miss your run. Then you charge your Crew Cheif the 100.00 since he didn't warn you, that you were running behind *RSQBUZZ*

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03/07/2008 8:14 PM
I'm not a wealthy person but even I could painlessly afford $100 for a radio. Hell, Hos and son will both eat twice that much in sushi the first night we get to Phoenix, and that doesn't count the bar tab. I really don't see the big deal, other than the fact that people don't like being told "they have to do something". If they really don't want to buy one and they only want to go to a couple IHBA races, then they should reserve one to rent at those races. We can sit here and discuss what may / may not be a better idea or we can go ahead and get it done, because the rule is already in place. For IHBA Rescue Sponsorship Package http://www.ihbaracing.com/rescue.htm IHBA National Rescue Coordinator Board of Directors, T.C.E.U. Search and Recovery IHBA Team Rescue

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03/07/2008 8:49 PM
i'm not a wealthy person either, and i have no problem at all with this, and think it's a great idea. and i don't care if someone is talking when i'm on the clock. if i did have a question or issue with it, i'd have brought it up at the meeting when it was discussed at length (unlike another new rule that was never discussed at all). all i've been asking, for 3 posts now, is which receiver is the 2 channel. unless the 2 channel, that was also discussed at the meeting as an option. scottyb said... I'm not a wealthy person but even I could painlessly afford $100 for a radio. Hell, Hos and son will both eat twice that much in sushi the first night we get to Phoenix, and that doesn't count the bar tab. I really don't see the big deal, other than the fact that people don't like being told "they have to do something". If they really don't want to buy one and they only want to go to a couple IHBA races, then they should reserve one to rent at those races. We can sit here and discuss what may / may not be a better idea or we can go ahead and get it done, because the rule is already in place.

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03/08/2008 1:05 AM
BP, my tongue in cheek post was directed toward those that are still arguing the merits of the ~~radios~~ receivers, not those that are wanting more information. Here's an update. The Ace is the one that is capable of scanning two channels. I don't know anything about default channels or compatability. However, there will be a ~~radio~~ receiver orientation at the season opener. Everybody will have the opportunity to check their ~~radios~~ receivers for frequency and volume. they will also be able to check their crew radios for compatability. I hope this helps. For IHBA Rescue Sponsorship Package http://www.ihbaracing.com/rescue.htm IHBA National Rescue Coordinator Board of Directors, T.C.E.U. Search and Recovery IHBA Team Rescue

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03/08/2008 3:29 AM
Thanks Scotty for the additional information.

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03/08/2008 12:46 PM
Here is an idea not saying the receivers are a bad idea. How about a light for each lane when the light is lite give a thumbs up when you are ready. Juan Blanco You can not fix stupid and you can not argue with ignorance

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03/08/2008 4:18 PM
thanks scotty. Abracadabra Racing 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 NJBA 10 second Hi Points Champion 2005, 2006, 2007 IHBA Div 1 ME Champion

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03/08/2008 4:44 PM
John said... Here is an idea not saying the receivers are a bad idea. How about a light for each lane when the light is lite give a thumbs up when you are ready. John if you recall the 2007 World Finals there was a deal were fuel was on the line and lit and they had to Red Light the course, I don't recall who but one fueler did not shut down when the red light came on and rescue had to pull in front of him to get his attention. So additional lights are not the answer.

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03/08/2008 6:33 PM
It was a TAH, but yes. I didn't care for driving in front of him to get his attention to shut it off, after what seemed like 2 minutes of hollering, flashing the red lights, or anything else, to get his attention. For IHBA Rescue Sponsorship Package http://www.ihbaracing.com/rescue.htm IHBA National Rescue Coordinator Board of Directors, T.C.E.U. Search and Recovery IHBA Team Rescue

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03/10/2008 1:51 AM
How did we ever get along all of these pass years. sounds to me to much talking not eoungh racing i havent heard one thing about safety just a bunch of confusion what about me. that money could be spent on gas. Hey ihba do something for the racer put the rescue boat at the finish line instead of the start line so it dont take so much time to get to the racer.spend some money on a red light at the first or second bouy so you dont risk somebody life cause i knonw that there has been crashes on red light runs.Risk somebodys life that radio wont work at the botton of the lake bubble bubble bubble p.s. buy the starter a bull horn harbor frieght tools has them for 10.00 a whole lot easier on sale this weekend 4.99

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03/10/2008 2:22 AM
redhot said... How did we ever get along all of these pass years. sounds to me to much talking not eoungh racing i havent heard one thing about safety just a bunch of confusion what about me. that money could be spent on gas. Hey ihba do something for the racer put the rescue boat at the finish line instead of the start line so it dont take so much time to get to the racer.spend some money on a red light at the first or second bouy so you dont risk somebody life cause i knonw that there has been crashes on red light runs.Risk somebodys life that radio wont work at the botton of the lake bubble bubble bubble p.s. buy the starter a bull horn harbor frieght tools has them for 10.00 a whole lot easier on sale this weekend 4.99 Boy! What a profound statement. If you knew anything at all, you would know that IHBA has always had two rescue boats, for capsule boats, which isn't the case for everyone. There is always one at the start (below 1/2 track) and one in the shut down. There are almost as many crashes at the start as at the finish. Have you even been to an IHBA race? For IHBA Rescue Sponsorship Package http://www.ihbaracing.com/rescue.htm IHBA National Rescue Coordinator Board of Directors, T.C.E.U. Search and Recovery IHBA Team Rescue Post Edited (scottyb) : 3/10/2008 11:18:24 AM GMT

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03/10/2008 11:19 AM
scottyb said... "...If you knew anything at all, you would know that IHBA has always had two rescue boats, for capsule boats, which isn't the case for everyone..." There's a quote for all of us non-capsuled guys to ponder....!!! I guess since we're only 1/2 as$ racers, we only get 1/2 of the rescue boats.....!!!! Or did I read that wrong...? . . ...

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03/10/2008 11:44 AM
Hello Gary. You have been pretty quiet lately. I suspect this is how all your famous quotations get started. You take something that is said and you interpret it the way you see fit. For IHBA Rescue Sponsorship Package http://www.ihbaracing.com/rescue.htm IHBA National Rescue Coordinator Board of Directors, T.C.E.U. Search and Recovery IHBA Team Rescue

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03/10/2008 12:13 PM
scottyb said... Hello Gary. You have been pretty quiet lately. I suspect this is how all your famous quotations get started. You take something that is said and you interpret it the way you see fit. You're right scotty..... I guess I could have been out of line. I may have incorrectly assumed that you meant that there were two rescue boats for capsule boats only. I guess it's the word *"...isn't..."* preceeding the words *"...the case for everybody..."* that messed me up. My limited recollection of elementary school english is that the "...isn't..." is short for "...is not..." . So when you said that there were two rescue boats for capsule boats, followed by the statement that it "...isn't (is not) the case for everybody..." I just assumed you meant what you wrote. I'll go back to being quiet. . . ...

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03/10/2008 1:00 PM
scottyb said... If you knew anything at all, you would know that IHBA has always had two rescue boats, for capsule boats, which isn't the case for everyone. Does this help? When he said "bubble bubble bubble" I assumed he meant capsule boats. Didn't they teach you in grammer that a comma can mean "hold that thought while I go off topic and I'll get back to you later." For IHBA Rescue Sponsorship Package http://www.ihbaracing.com/rescue.htm IHBA National Rescue Coordinator Board of Directors, T.C.E.U. Search and Recovery IHBA Team Rescue Post Edited (scottyb) : 3/10/2008 1:09:41 PM GMT

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03/10/2008 1:10 PM
scottyb said... scottyb said... If you knew anything at all, you would know that IHBA has always had two rescue boats, for capsule boats, which isn't the case for everyone. Does this help? When he said "bubble bubble bubble" I assumed he meant capsule boats. Didn't they teach you learn in grammer that a comma can mean "hold that thought while I go off topic and I'll get back to you later." Yeah, they did... After I re-read it again, it appears that you are bashing associations other than the IHBA... and you know where that'll get you...... . . ...

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03/10/2008 1:22 PM
BOAT372 said... scottyb said... scottyb said... If you knew anything at all, you would know that IHBA has always had two rescue boats, for capsule boats, which isn't the case for everyone. Does this help? When he said "bubble bubble bubble" I assumed he meant capsule boats. Didn't they teach you learn in grammer that a comma can mean "hold that thought while I go off topic and I'll get back to you later." Yeah, they did... After I re-read it again, it appears that you are bashing associations other than the IHBA... and you know where that'll get you...... . . ... Bashing? There you go again. Interpretting something the way you see fit. For IHBA Rescue Sponsorship Package http://www.ihbaracing.com/rescue.htm IHBA National Rescue Coordinator Board of Directors, T.C.E.U. Search and Recovery IHBA Team Rescue

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RSQBUZZ

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03/10/2008 3:23 PM
FYI SLDBA has Two rescue boats on the water at all times (baring mechanical mishap) A capsule boat will not run if the the recovery boat is off the water. We have a diver suited up at all times. and all our divers suited up during capsule runs. We carry a min of 3 divers, normally four. I do like the idea of putting a red light on all the poles. That way they can not say I left before it came on or I didn't see it. *RSQBUZZ*

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