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Duane Sims
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| 12/12/2006 5:31 AM |
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desperado430 said..."Best show on water" based on what?
Interesting question and should be a topic of it’s on. To start let take all sarcasm and innuendoes out of this conversation along with any personal preference. With that said; everyone has a tag line, the “Best Show on Water” is just that. The real question is how do you qualify for the best show on water?
This can be done many ways; best of show can be the view point of one or numbers from many opinions like from a survey or poll.
How do you get best show on water title, are we talking as in a venue, promoter, association or a team???
Here are a few of my thoughts:
1. Venues: Gate sales, the number of spectators on the beach. (Photos document this)
2. Venue/Association: Total Boat count (other than bragging rights who wins) does it really mater if a show is not finished? (keep in mind the spectators opinion)
3. Teams: Class support, which class has the best representation
4. Venue/Association/Teams Overall performance from teams, promoter & association, this is a broad survey that has many factors like: time it takes to see boats run to concession to overall convince.
Everyone has there favorites that is why there are hundreds of TV channels on cable, everyone has there on taste. We have boats racing in basically two classes Pro Boats and Brackets with many sub classes with in each, with this in mind personal opinions on Best Show on Water has to be eliminated from the equation.
I would like to finish writing this now but need to do some work that pays, besides that’s what this topic can do, I will continue my thoughts as you all share yours.
The adjective to this is to set the guidelines for a potential awards program presented by DBR & Partners next year, so your input to set the rules to follow is appreciated.
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Brien Dunn
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| 12/12/2006 5:34 PM |
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Duane lay out the Best Show on Water..in categories
1. Best appearing boat and overall crew & points standings
2. Best R/T and E/T overall.
3. Best qualifying overall.
down to: biggest boom
biggest fire
biggest mistake
It could be fun, we have time to do it on this site before the Awards, everyone votes and the winner of each category gets a (free get out of jail pass)...or even a award? NOT A BAD IDEA
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Brien Dunn
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| 12/12/2006 5:43 PM |
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I LEFT OUT A THOUGHT GETTING OLDER!
MAKE IT A ANNUAL THING AT THE AWARDS
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Stix818
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| 12/12/2006 11:12 PM |
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Really I believe it depends on the spectator!! I think a spectator wants to come and see racing regardless of class (maybe a little favortism towards the pro guys ) and when you have a large boat count I believe they get that!!! Honestly who else puts on a show like Red Bluff, Marble Falls, Augusta or the World Finals. I think that if I was a spectator those would be the races I would try and make!!!
I know as a fellow racer those are the races I prefer to make during a season (Chowtown also)!!!
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bp
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| 12/13/2006 1:10 AM |
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| my comment is based on the fact that every ihba event is an.. event, that goes beyond being a race. to do that, and have a repetitive spectator count, it has to be a consistant show. you could put the oklahoma deal in the same category, as well as smokin in the cove, but those are once a year events. race in/race out, no one else puts that level of show on.
gotta keep in mind that there are sdba, cdba, njba, kdba, and obdba racers that are all a part of that. i'm an njba racer, but i'm also an ihba racer so i can race people from sdba, cdba, kdba and obdba when the opportunity presents itself (and it only presents itself at an ihba event. there are people that ONLY race ihba; but i really like the level of competition sdba/cdba/kdba and obdba provide as well as my njba/ihba homeys).
of course, this is only how i feel. others can have whatever opinion they want.
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Rob Scobee
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| 12/13/2006 3:21 AM |
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| From a racers side of things the important things to us are as follows. This is not directed to any paticular association or race site. How efficient are the races ran? This goes from time of entering the pits throughout the daily operations till the time we leave on Monday. Are all racers regardless of thier class treated with respect and appreciated for being a part of the event? If there is an issue during racing that needs to be addressed is the sanctioning body there to listen to the problem and be diplomatic in their decision making regardless of nature or the parties involved? Are the fans intertained and getting their moneys worth? I mean fans from 1-40,000? Do the fans feel comfortable walking through the pits interacting with the racers and teams? Is the race site secure and safe? Last but not least: Is there a presence of unity amongst racers? |
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jimsplace
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| 12/13/2006 4:05 AM |
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Admin 1
If personal opinion is left out of the equation, how is "BEST SHOW" determined? Isn't "BEST" just that - opinion?
Are we talking about a race location or overall race organization schedule? This of course would eliminate Smokin in the Cove, but it would include the OKC race. |
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Stix818
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| 12/13/2006 8:42 PM |
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BP I agree with that and I've heard GOOD things about smokin n the cove and the others. I only race IHBA because it's really all I can afford and when you have 15-30 racers showing up it makes for a good race day!!!! It also helps that IHBA/promoters helps with the cost by forking out some purse. That's the main reason why I have a hard time going to Oregon because we travel 2200 miles for a trophy. I know we aren't in this for the money but it SSUUURRREEEE helps us low budget guys!!! I've talked with my old man about making some midwest races because you guys (SDBA, SLDBA, ect...) treats us extremely well and we have a blast!!!
Desperado, you also have a valid point because there are some Associations that you can't talk with at all if you know what I mean!!! My way or the highway is going to bite someone in the a$$ eventually!!!!
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bp
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| 12/15/2006 1:20 AM |
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stix, i understand the dexter issue. it's 1750 for me, and it's up and down a lot of mountains. but, the people are great and once there, i really like the racing.
430, i've never seen everything go perfectly at any race, anywhere. "stuff" always happens, whether it's lights, weather, crashes, broken boats, etc. no matter where it is, i try to just roll with it. i think there's a difference between putting on a race, and putting on a show. with njba, we never have a promotor, and only -some- efforts are taken to let people know a race is happening. it's all about the racers and the racing. with people into it like that, it ends up being a pretty good show, but the intent isn't "show" first. with ihba, there are promotors, as well as the organization, doing a lot up front both physically and monetarily (which is risk), to put on a "show". the show, being TFH, TAH, TAF, and hangfin going in circles (literally and figuratively). i think ihba does this the best, race in/race out. others have an event, maybe two, where they really make an effort to "put on a show", but for the most part, they are races for racers (and hopefully some fans liked it).
i don't feel that there is any such thing as "worst". i do feel that just getting to any race is the next best day in my life, because i am an addict, and i get to visit with my friends. one of my fondest memorys is of the world finals when we had to run semis and finals, in the rain, on monday. i went out in the semis to hotshot, but it was great. that monday was absolutely pure.
stix, i'm takin' a cue from ya...
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Stix818
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| 12/15/2006 3:59 PM |
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BP I hear ya on that!!! It seems were ever we race I always meet great people and have a bitchen time which is one of the main reasons I think most of us do this!!! I also remember that world finals. It was the furthest I ever made it and we redlit that morning in the semis. Man it was cold and so much for calling into work!!!!
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John white
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| 12/20/2006 1:14 PM |
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I have raced almost ever race except for CDBA and from what I hear they put on a good show. I believe that the SDBA promoters put on a good show. They put all of thier time and money into this sport. I do know this when the dust settles Sunday night most of the racers are happy and the promoters are ready to do it again.
For us to say one race or another is the best really makes the ones that are not included wonder why they work hundreds of hours and risk thousands of dollars so that the racers will have a plce to play.
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Juan Blanco
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bp
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| 12/21/2006 3:08 AM |
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John said...
I have raced almost ever race except for CDBA and from what I hear they put on a good show. I believe that the SDBA promoters put on a good show. They put all of thier time and money into this sport. I do know this when the dust settles Sunday night most of the racers are happy and the promoters are ready to do it again.
For us to say one race or another is the best really makes the ones that are not included wonder why they work hundreds of hours and risk thousands of dollars so that the racers will have a plce to play.
mr. white, i've raced with cdba folks a few times, and i will agree that they do put on a good race, and the folks do work very hard, and they have some great racers up there. the only sdba races i've been able to attend (so far) have been the co races in marble falls when sdba was involved, so i cannot comment first hand, only what i read in dbr, and what i've heard from folks that run sdba.
my comment, "nobody is worse", was to indicate that, at least from what i've seen, every organization works hard to put on the best weekend they have the ability to. on the other hand, i respectfully disagree with the concept of not saying one race or another is better, or one org consistently does certain things a little better than others. for example, i've spent a lot of time over the past several years submitting rule changes to njba, and promoting those changes. not because i'm smarter or better, but because i've seen other things, and i thought we could do better (an aside, this year, the brackets were the tightest and closest racing we've seen in years). what i'm saying is, this is not to say to anyone that they suck, but to say; we can do better, and from personal experience, i don't think anyone resents that kind of feedback. what i do think really gets the matches goin, is when people start out with "ours is better'n yours is". to me, that's as shortsighted as it gets. we're all one, and for the betterment of the sport, we should be thinking in those terms.
have a great holiday!
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John white
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| 12/21/2006 2:23 PM |
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I agree with you everyone can do better. With that being said We will keep trying and maybe one of these days you can attend one of the SDBA races (co-points don't count lol) and see for yourself. You to have a great x-mas and a winning 07 season.
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Duane B Sims
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| 06/06/2008 1:15 PM |
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| What the best race to date? |
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Get Interactive and let's Preserve the Past, Report the Present and Promote the Future through Teamwork and Technology! |
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Cheyenne 372
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| 06/07/2008 7:29 AM |
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Posted By Duane B Sims on 06/06/2008 1:15 PM
What the best race to date?
Duane....
The answer to that question is the same answer to this question....
What was the best sex you ever had...?
And the answer is...
The Last Time I Got To Do It.....!!!!!.....
Can I get an AMEN on that....????
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Duane B Sims
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| 06/07/2008 8:57 AM |
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Well that is one way to not affend a promoter!!!!
So AMEN to that !!! |
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Cheyenne 372
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| 06/07/2008 10:09 AM |
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Posted By Duane B Sims on 06/07/2008 8:57 AM
Well that is one way to not affend a promoter!!!!
So AMEN to that !!!
Or...... OFFEND....one ........
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Duane B Sims
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| 06/07/2008 12:29 PM |
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| LOL yea that too!!! |
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Get Interactive and let's Preserve the Past, Report the Present and Promote the Future through Teamwork and Technology! |
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John white
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| 06/10/2008 5:38 AM |
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I think there have been several great races imho. The first OKC race I have NEVER seen that many spectators. The World Finals in I think it was 05. Marble Falls had some great races in the 90's. Augusta in the 90's also and lets not forget High Points wow wee lol.
In recent time with the economy fuel prices and the black eye the sport has taken my hats off to ALL the promoters that step up great job glad that there is a place to race! |
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Cheyenne 372
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| 06/10/2008 1:27 PM |
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Posted By John white on 06/10/2008 5:38 AM
"...and the black eye the sport has taken..."
And what black eye would that be....??
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