ralph richardson
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| 02/20/2008 12:27 AM |
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Was there ever anything decided on the battery switch rule for all boats? Last I had heard was that they were going to discuss at the meeting and come up with a location in which they wanted it to be located in the boat.
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469 the coyote
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| 02/20/2008 6:51 AM |
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| Was never talked about that I can recall.
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bp
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| 02/20/2008 3:52 PM |
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hondo094 said...
Was there ever anything decided on the battery switch rule for all boats? Last I had heard was that they were going to discuss at the meeting and come up with a location in which they wanted it to be located in the boat.
Ralph
TE094 was not mentioned by charlie at the meeting. john, who is now head tech, spoke for 15-20 minutes and didn't mention it. no one else mentioned it either. |
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Eddie Knox
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| 02/20/2008 4:07 PM |
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I think we spoke about putting it along the hand rail behind the driver or capsule with a sticker marking it clearly. I'm not sure it ever became standardized or a rule but that's what we did.
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bp
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| 02/21/2008 5:00 PM |
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P.C. said...I think we spoke about putting it along the hand rail behind the driver or capsule with a sticker marking it clearly. I'm not sure it ever became standardized or a rule but that's what we did.
eddie, the problem is that no one's discussed this with respect to ski boat river racers, se's, or me's, and half the te's that are river boats, with batteries mounted in the transom. this "simple" change would require me to run 10-12' of battery cable from the battery to wherever the switch would be mounted (i still don't know), which would do wonders for voltage drop that i don't need, creating a new safety issue by itself, or figure out where and how to re-locate the battery and re-wire the entire boat, again not inexpensive or simple. and i'm not terribly fond with the idea of mounting a switch like this in the transom where i can't see it, and where it can be attacked by the elements, but that's the only safe place i can add this without re-doing the entire electrical system and relocating the battery.
the long discussions at the meeting involved an external capsule opening device, seat belts, and radios. nothing was mentioned about this, that it will be a rule "for all boats", nor any discussion about locations.
i don't mean to pick on you, but nothing at the meeting regarding something this significant to "slow" boats, no announcement on ihba's website, makes one wonder what to do... and whether or not half the boats that show up in phoenix will be turned away at tech... that would make for an interesting weekend.
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ralph richardson
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| 02/21/2008 6:09 PM |
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| That is my point Bob. I dont what to spend $600.00 in gas to drive Phoenix and have this become a problem. I remember this topic being on another thread here. At the time it was focused on the "faster boats" but that it would become required for all classes later. |
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Ray Mackey
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| 02/21/2008 6:17 PM |
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Battery shut off! why bring it up,silence is golden,  |
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Stix818
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| 02/21/2008 6:36 PM |
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I tried to ask John after the meeting but he was busy.. I'm really not to excited about drilling a hole in my boat for something like this.. My feelings is it shouldn't be required for open boats but that's my opinion!!
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Eddie Knox
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| 02/21/2008 7:47 PM |
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Bob, your not picking on me. I'm just telling you what I did at rescue's request.
I'm not sure if it's a rule but you gotta admit, it makes sense to have a power cut-off available for safety reasons.
If you look down a few topic's you find "Master cut off switch"
Hos states that it will be a rule for 2008.
EK
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bp
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| 02/23/2008 5:32 PM |
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P.C. said...
Bob, your not picking on me. I'm just telling you what I did at rescue's request.
I'm not sure if it's a rule but you gotta admit, it makes sense to have a power cut-off available for safety reasons.
If you look down a few topic's you find "Master cut off switch"
Hos states that it will be a rule for 2008.
EK
understand eddie. and in concept, i don't have any problem with a battery isolation switch. my neighbors d/g pontiac has a nice little switch mounted right under the bumper - took him all of 2' of cable to wire the thing with his trunk mounted battery.
the problem i have is the concept "within the driver's reach". this creates a number of different problems for me (and most likely others), that would necessitate a complete redesign of the electrical system. with the msd box on one side of the boat, place diverter in the back, and data collection computer on the other side, i cannot tolerate much more voltage drop.
i can install a switch at the transom, that would be reasonably protected. but why would i do that, with all the talk "within the drivers reach", and no further discussion by the sanctioning org? if the org said that location would satisfy them, i'd have it on next week. but i'm not gonna waste my time and drill holes in the boat, only to be told that is insufficient, nor am i going to spend a bunch of time and money to re-engineer the entire boat for a switch that may or may not be required.
no disrespect intended, but the closest that anyone from rescue has ever been to my boat is when i'm driving down the track. from a safety perspective, the people i have to satisfy are myself, john, mike, and charlie via the rule book. and other than myself, i've not seen or heard any input on this topic from the other three, what would or would not be acceptable. i know many racers that never get on a computer, so how would they even know this is a potential rule?
finally, i'm not going to be silent about it, because if there's anything that really angers me, it's being blindsided at the track, and i'd hate to see that happen to a bunch of boats at lakefest. |
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Paul Bauer
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| 02/23/2008 5:45 PM |
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| I am not a big fan of this rule either. Bp if you use a big enough conductor such as 1/0 copper your voltage drop should be almost nothing. |
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Rob Scobee
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| 02/23/2008 6:55 PM |
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| If there is a question about it being a rule why don't you call IHBA? Just a thought |
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Flat chance
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| 02/23/2008 11:14 PM |
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| I would think that if its not in writing from ihba that they require this than it couldnt be inforced.
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Dave Glass
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| 02/24/2008 12:41 AM |
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Guys,
If you run a large enough conductor as stated you will not see any voltage drop. I have 2 switches on our boat. 1 for the 12volt system and 1 for the 36 volt system. I would like to add that our batteries are in the back of the boat above the struts. The 2 switches are mounted behind the capsule just above gunnel. So when Rex steps out all he has to do is reach down and turn them off. Trust me, the switches have saved my bacon more than once. Just my .02 cents on this subject.
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Eddie Knox
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bp
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| 02/26/2008 4:11 PM |
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P.C. said...BP you have a computer on your boat??? I'm jealous!
yeah, right eddie - like you don't  i worked with bennett for 2 years; what can i say???
thing is, mine's not a racepak 25000, or whatever they are now, it's just a little 'ol edelbrock that is seriously sensitive to emf, which is the reason it's as far away from the ignition and ignition wiring as i can get it, and still have access to it. it's on the same side of the boat as the battery, so running big cables up the rail will just put more emf in closer proximity to it.
i just do not believe i can place a switch "within my reach in the seat" without relocating the battery and rewiring the boat - not impossible, but not something i want to do before the season starts. i can install a switch on the gunnel at the the transom without substantial modification to the existing wiring.
i did call, tiffany hadn't heard anything about it, and he wasn't there... i just want clarification before i do something that could be incorrect, or unnecessary. |
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RON PITTS
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| 02/26/2008 4:40 PM |
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i just do not believe i can place a switch "within my reach in the seat" without relocating the battery and rewiring the boat - not impossible, but not something i want to do before the season starts. The switch is not for you,its for rescue.  |
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Geral Laney
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| 02/26/2008 6:47 PM |
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| P.C. said
BP you have a computer on your boat??? I'm jealous!
Come on Eddie. If Scott takes his cell phone it surely has a calculator in it.
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bp
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| 02/27/2008 4:19 PM |
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RONPITTS said...
i just do not believe i can place a switch "within my reach in the seat" without relocating the battery and rewiring the boat - not impossible, but not something i want to do before the season starts. The switch is not for you,its for rescue.
so, do i need to throw a cooler in there with samwiches and donuts too???  |
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Scott Burrows
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| 02/27/2008 4:40 PM |
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bp said...
RONPITTS said...
i just do not believe i can place a switch "within my reach in the seat" without relocating the battery and rewiring the boat - not impossible, but not something i want to do before the season starts. The switch is not for you,its for rescue.
so, do i need to throw a cooler in there with samwiches and donuts too??? Now that's funny right there. 
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