Does anyone have any idea ? I`m working on a few deals and need to know when and where or if we race????

CSDBA has dropped the Ft. Cobb race from their schedule. For more information, check the editorial section of the CSDBA web site ( http://www.csdba.net/ ). Additional incentives and race details will be announced on the CSDBA web site in the future.

The CSDBA schedule is as follows:

Flint Hills Summer Nationals - Herington, KS - May 24-25
Ponca City Thunder - Ponca City, OK - June 21-22
Sooner Nationals - Oklahoma City, OK - Aug 1-2-3 - Friday - Test and Tune
Heartland Nationals - Topeka, KS - Aug 23-24

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ebailey...

What is the Flint Hills Summer Nationals and Topeka like?


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Spd. the Herrington race is on a beutiful lake, and the water is great for racing, we were there a few years back with the Comp. Flat, great race, good people, tore the motor up on Sat, and left on Sunday Morning.

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Joe Don Lewis
FLAT'S ARE WHERE IT'S AT
God Bless our Soldiers and our Country

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Spd. the Herrington race is on a beutiful lake, and the water is great for racing, we were there a few years back with the Comp. Flat, great race, good people, tore the motor up on Sat, and left on Sunday Morning.

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HMMMM...

Not good...on the motor breaking, I going to try and pull a major feather out of my hat and make a few extra races? that I have never been to before......The LORD willing...

Picture taking that is, not with the boat...

Hopefully if the economy is somewhat back in place? (IF EVER) it would be nice to tow out to the mid west...... we see when the time comes.

It would be cool if each org. would video tape all there races then at the end of the year they could make a highlite tape to sell to the racers and general public, not so much to be a money maker than to provide a service to those that love the sport...

Actually Redding Video is still video taping with NJBA... and they have been following the sport since 1982 0r 82 and I bet you that if you ask anyone with NJBA what they think about having the opportunity to purchase or order a video of themselves or the race...you will get BIG that is one of the reasons that I will be racing with NJBA and that they are a FUN org. and thus far they have treated me very respectfully and also all the racers in that org. are very COOL... and I cant forget the other reason is those REX burgers...

You take care...JDL...


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Speedfreak,

The Flint Hills Summer Nationals is like Joe Don said, a great place to race and a great place to relax and visit in the evenings. It stands a fair amount of wind but can handle more North wind than South. The shutdown area gets a little exciting when there is a strong South wind. By moving the race to the end of March, we should limit the likelihood of exposure to strong South winds.

The Heartland Nationals is near Topeka. This one is new for us this year. It’s actually South of Topeka about 30 minutes near the small town of Melvern Kansas. The race is in a 2 mile long cove on Melvern Lake and the race area is in Eisenhower State Park. This cove runs from the Northwest to the Southeast, which protects it from South winds, West winds, and everything in between. When I was there a couple of months ago, there was a very strong wind from the Southwest and the water was like glass.

From an administrative point of view, the Topeka race is a dream. There is one way in, one way out, a huge facility with 190 utility camp sites, 4 shower houses, more primitive camp sites than you can shake a stick at, a high gradually sloping spectator area the full length of the course, wide paved roads, and a ramp that 8 people like me can back in at a single time (more than 8 for our average Tow-Ho Tow vehicle operator).

We will be going to the site on Friday to meet with our promotions people and get some pictures of the site.

Our Ponca City Thunder event will be even better this year. Frank Cain, our promoter, did a fantastic job for us last year but is going to make several changes to provide an even better event this year.

The Sooner Nationals race in OKC will be something to draw a lot of new fans. We will open the gates up to the public for free admission on Friday’s test and tune.

We’re pumped about the season and are having a hard time waiting for the days to click by. We would have liked to have another race or two but, between the associations, there should be enough racing for all.

More to come when more comes.

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Topeka sounds like a dream, Wes.

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Joe Don Lewis
FLAT'S ARE WHERE IT'S AT
God Bless our Soldiers and our Country

2 mile cove clear blue water monster pits 190 elect hook ups

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WES BAILEY
PRESIDENT CSDBA
CHOKER058

058,makes me wish I was still shoeing the flat, water like that is hard to find.

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Joe Don Lewis
FLAT'S ARE WHERE IT'S AT
God Bless our Soldiers and our Country

hey jet you gonna make it to WACO

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PRESS RELEASE

It is with regret and disappointment that the CSDBA Officers and Board of Directors must inform you that we have no choice but to cancel our 2003 Season, due to not being able to renew or obtain liability insurance. We have been working on this problem for several months with no results. This insurance is mandatory at all races involving city, state or federal owned bodies of water and protects the sanctioning organization, promoter, sponsors and spectators that attend any drag boat race. This special event insurance has constantly been increasing and now the few companies nationwide that underwrite it will not renew policies. It should be noted that all liability insurance we are discussing is basically underwritten by only a few underwriters regardless of the broker or agent. We have never filed a claim in the past 10 years, but this has no bearing on the underwriters, as it appears to be a line of business that is not worth their risk anymore. We even contacted the state of Oklahoma Insurance Commissioner but were informed this type of specialty insurance was out of their jurisdiction.

Because of the amount of "up front" money that is required to put on races months before they happen, such as, TV, radio, newspaper advertising, posters, flyers, tickets, sponsor promotions, etc., it is necessary to make our decision to cancel now in order to be financially sound with all those affected. We did not feel it would be fair to continue in hopes the problem would be resolved further into the season. This is a universal problem confronting all drag boat racing associations and depending upon their renewal dates, they too will have to deal with this crisis at hand. In our case our policy renewal date was September 2002.

The CSDBA remains financially strong and had already made preparations for this year's racing schedule with equipment testing days, the construction of a new starting barge and ordering state-of-the-art Condel sensors for the 2003 season. We added one new race site to our 2003 schedule and were experiencing an increase in significant sponsorship at two of our existing race sites.

This in no way means CSDBA is closing its doors permanently, only that the 2003 Season will not be possible. We thank all of you who have supported our organization and races throughout the past 10 years. For those who took advantage of our early discounted membership offer, we will be offering full refunds for the 2003 Season. A request for membership refund will be forwarded shortly. We felt it necessary to publish this announcement on our web site immediately along with mailing our membership a copy in order to minimize the rumor mill. All this is to say that we did not make this decision lightly or without exhausting all resources.


The CSDBA Board of Directors

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Sam

Sam, that is terrible, but with all of the BS I have had with insurance in the last few years I feel your pain and frustration, the problems exist not only in Liability policies but even our homeowners insurance is shakey thru State Farm, if I sell this house they will not guarantee that they will insure a new one for me and I have been a loyal customer for over 40 some odd years.

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FLAT'S ARE WHERE IT'S AT
God Bless our Soldiers and our Country

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Sam, that is terrible, but with all of the BS I have had with insurance in the last few years I feel your pain and frustration, the problems exist not only in Liability poicies but even our homeowners insurance is shakey thru State Farm, if I sell this house they will not guarantee that they will insure a new one for me and I have been a loyal customer for over 40 some odd years.

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Pain and frustration is what it is, for our racers, our fans, our sponsors, our promoters, and for our sport. The Herington race was one of the most fun places to race and to spend the evenings. Ponca was a great race last year and our town was all pumped up for an even bigger event this year. OKC is a great event with the spectators right next to the action and huge crowds and excitement. The Topeka event had great potential and a super facility. Our sport could really have used another two Kansas events and the Ponca and OKC events were also close for our racers that live further north as well. As for me, those of you that frequent this site know that I have been preparing and looking forward to this racing season since last September. We put a lot of work into equipment, planning, race sites, and getting ready for 2003 but will start now on our preparations for 2004. Although the decision to cancel was necessary, it did not come easy. Even though I can’t be an administrator at our events this year, I plan to be a fan at our sister associations’ events.

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That right there is one of the big problems with CSDBA!

Why did CSDBA wait so damn long to let the cat out of the bag?

Sam as you know I`v promoted racing events before and obtained my own INS. Maybe some one like my self could have helped out but the CSDBA didn't want to let the word out because they might look week!

Isn't it time to act like business men and not little high school kids with a secret.

I got this in an E Mail before I found it on here. "Yes" I`m overly pissed right now, I know in time it will fade but damn-it It`s time to let us members know WTF!
I`v already spent money to get ready for this season and now knowing what we know I would have held off until it was time to go racing. I`m not mad at anyone in particular just at the game`s that must be played that keep us racers in the closet!
It`s bull sh$$ ! just plane Bull Sh$$ ! You know like the game CSDBA played with SDBA and the Wichita promoter!

jet what event have you promoted and how big what ins was required

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PRESIDENT CSDBA
CHOKER058

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In our case our policy renewal date was September 2002.

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That right there is one of the big problems with CSDBA!

Why did CSDBA wait so damn long to let the cat out of the bag?

Sam as you know I`v promoted racing events before and obtained my own INS. Maybe some one like my self could have helped out but the CSDBA didn't want to let the word out because they might look week!

Isn't it time to act like business men and not little high school kids with a secret.

I got this in an E Mail before I found it on here. "Yes" I`m overly pissed right now, I know in time it will fade but damn-it It`s time to let us members know WTF!
I`v already spent money to get ready for this season and now knowing what we know I would have held off until it was time to go racing. I`m not mad at anyone in particular just at the game`s that must be played that keep us racers in the closet!
It`s bull sh$$ ! just plane Bull Sh$$ ! You know like the game CSDBA played with SDBA and the Wichita promoter!

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Steve, thanks for your offer to help. I'm glad to see that you have changed your mind about helping since the last time I asked you to get involved. I didn’t realize that you currently have knowledge and abilities so far beyond the people that are actually willing to get involved. That means that you must have put on at least 50 or 100 special events in your day. I’m impressed.

So many people only want to beitch about what other people should do and they never do anything but beitch, they never lift a finger to help (unless it’s their middle finger and they consider being a critic as helping), they just bash the ones that are doing their best to put things together. Usually a request to put-up or shut-up works but with some people, it doesn't, they just continue to beitch about everything. If there are only two solutions, they will beitch no matter which one you choose.

So you will know, of all the board members, I am probably as much or more to blame for waiting as long as we did to cancel. Every time we found somebody that sounded positive about securing insurance, I would get my hopes up and ask that we postpone a little while longer in hopes that this one could help us with insurance. That is not good business logic for anybody but if the right insurance had become available in time, I would have been a hero. Since we did not find insurance in time, I’m the villain.

Still, I’ll bet that there are more lip-service-only people beitching about us canceling too soon than there are beitching about us waiting too late.

CSDBA did let the cat out of the bag so WTF is your problem now? The only difference is that CSDBA had a tighter time fence to deal with the issue than the other orgs have, and that includes the mud runners, the motorcross racers, and everybody else that requires special event insurance. If we had another two months to deal with the issue, we probably would have been OK for the season.

You're pissed? Well I'm pissed too! I understand why you are pissed and I don't blame you. Do you have any idea about why I'm pissed?

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Sam there`s allot of things that you may not have known about me.
"Yes" I do have the knowledge and abilities to promote and run racing events as I`v done so in the past. I might add on my own also

Now as far as my knowledge and abilities being "beyond that of the people that are willing to get involved" Those are your WORD`S not Mine! I was willing to help but I was only asked to help because someone was being a smartass. I Wont play those kinda games sorry.

You want to play a little game? PM me everything you need covered on INS and let`s see what I can find. I cant say how long it will take but I`ll bet I find INS before 7 month`s!

You can take the horse to the watering hole but it`s up to him to help himself once you show him the water!

I`ll call them ...All I need is the info!!!!!!!

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I was only asked to help because someone was being a smartass.

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Not true Steve. There was no smartass anywhere in the offer.

I asked you if you were interested in becoming involved a long time ago because you expressed some ideas that made a lot of sense to me. The main parts that I was interested in were things that could help take ET racing to a higher level, things that would help the average racer to be able to afford to race without taking the fun away. We talked about ways to minimize the cost to the racer while maximizing the payouts. You asked about paying out 4 places and I took that to the board. The idea is a popular one for many of the board members and has been for some time. If you recall an editorial by Joe Vask that we posted a few months ago, you will recall that paying out multiple places is a future objective for our club. We need ideas that will make boat sponsorship more attractive. To reduce the cost to the racers we also need ideas to cover the reduction in income. You only expressed ideas on what needed to be done for the racer; you had nothing to offer on how to make it possible. I still felt that you might have potential to be a contributor to the sport.

When I asked you to work with me to resolve these issues, you had nothing to say except you had your own race programs to take care of. I don’t see anything wrong with that; it is not everybody that is willing to sacrifice his or her own race program for the sport. Half the board decided to park their boats this season and devote their time to race administration and promotion. They realized that they could not take care of up-front planning, advertising, do course setup and teardown, race administration, etc., and still race. I wasn’t even asking you to help to that extent, I just wanted to meet with you every month or two to evaluate options and see what we could achieve toward some of these objectives.

Just because you did not have the time to become involved at the club level does not mean that we were not and have not been making significant progress toward some of these objectives. It would be premature to mention some of these ideas because they may or may not work out.

As far as insurance goes, it appears as if insurance is just now becoming more affordable. My impression is that while the threat of terrorism was so strong, special event coverage was something that insurance companies were skeptical about writing. They are just now talking to us about coverage. Unfortunately, we hit the wire and since there was no assurance that we would have insurance in time, we decided that the best thing was not to continue and then cancel at the last minute if things did not fall in place. If you have not been evaluating special event coverage over the last year, then you are not current on the issues at hand.

I always appreciate good constructive criticism and fresh ideas. Bashing me and our club is something I can do without.

If you ever decide that you want to be a positive part of change for our club and the NDBA as a whole and would like to work with me on the mechanics, my offer is still open. You have my phone number and my e-mail address.

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jet have you promoted a race on not
what have you done lets see your track record

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WES BAILEY
PRESIDENT CSDBA
CHOKER058

Wes
I was 1/2 owner and now full owner of Midwest Motorsports INC.
I was 1/3 owner in Grizzlys Mud Runners for 3 years.
I`v ran and raced and promoted at the same time. I`v had events from Kansas to Texas. I don't run these events anymore because it took to much from my family life.
I still have a monster truck out in the back yard.want to buy it???...lol

Wes, I promoted my first event at age 20 with great success. I also at the age of 18 ran my own gas station and I sold it for a big profit. At age 20 I started Westside Auto Body and ran that for 5 years while racing and promoting at the same time,sold it to one of my helpers to race full time. He ran it for 5 years killing off everything I built up to make it run and he`s now out of business.
I now own an Auto Detail Shop, Body Shop and a Sign shop.
As far as my racing now,
I`v ran for
TNT Motorsports
SRO Pace Motorsports
ED Beckley Motorsports
Starburg INC
Stan Torguson INC
And a hand full of others

I was able to obtain 2 very good sponsors for my Hydro program last year.
I`m still racing Dirt Mods, my Hydro and playing with my Dune Buggy`s. We are working on a program for our Mud Dragger in hopes to be running it again soon.


I have nothing to prove to anyone but my self. I really didn't think this was the place to post this info but you`v asked for it twice so there it is.

Oh yea I forgot I promoted a big car show here in my home town 2 years ago with huge success!
I`v had people asking me to help them promote car show`s all over Kansas because of the success that I had at mine.
The funny part about the car show was that I was able to get everything sponsored to me from the grounds to the trophies. The show only cost me my time.
Annette and I put that show together in just 3 weeks. We had everything from top fuel cars,drag boats, hot rods, low riders, Big 4x4`s old cars to you name it, it was there.

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Sam I wasn't referring to you when I said smartass, But you seem to be being one now.

You are the only one that has kept me informed of some of the on going`s of our club for which I have thanked you every time. I`m not going to point fingers at anyone like "I said before". If I didn't want to be part of the club I wouldn't have sent in my money like I did. I even told Duane that this year I was only going to run for points and not do any out of club races (except Wichita). I had planed to run every race we had then we were going to totally redo the boat to move up a few classes next year. Sorry you`v felt that I was pointing a finger at you or the club because I wasn't. Every club has it own problems and when a new comer like my self points them out, Well let`s just say the whole floor falls out and people get their under where in a wad. If someone doesn't want to know what I think, they have the right not to read it or listen to me!
Kicking out smartass comments get us nowhere!

Sam I even tried to be kind of a middle man to help straighten out a big problem between a promoter and our club with only getting no where . The promoter was willing to work with the club in anyway to fix the problem but we only hit closed door`s. Yes I don't know everything that happened in the past but I sure know that one side of the problem was willing to sit down and work it out like business men. It wasn't even my problem but I was willing to try to help work it out so we could have a race site close to home for years to come. I am a very small voice in the world of drag boat racing and I can only voice my opinion right or wrong. I have voiced it from you and it looked as if you were getting it to the right places. When it comes from a racer, people tend to just right it off as someone on the out side of the window looking in not knowing what they are seeing or hearing.
Well in my case It`s not so, I know what`s going on and I would think that the Ideas that I`v shared with you would show that?

Sam I sent a $1000.00 pre event sponsor down the road this year, I couldn't take the risk of not fulfilling my end of the contract and being called into court and not ever being able to call on them again. I made my choice to do so because I didn't feel stable with what I was seeing. That was my reason for this topic if you don't remember? I`m not some dumb racer! I have been there done that!

Now where is that info so I can call My ole INS. buddy and post the coverage. I`ll even get him to e mail me the quote and I`ll post it in jpg form.

Now I`m being as positive as I can be!
Let`s get this club back on it`s feet and racing!

If you don't want my help (((just say so))) I`ll just wait and see what 2004 brings?????????

I`ll check back later to see what you want to do. I`v got to get back out in the shop.
Later

I agree Steve, smartass comments will get us nowhere. You might want to reread your posts to see if there is some slight possibility that some of it might possibly be coming from you. It’s hard to communicate with you when all I can see is fire when reading you posts.

I don’t intend to bash any promoter. Our sport has too few of them as it is. There are two sides to this coin and from my prospective, our club followed good business logic. I’ll just say that our club and the Wichita promoter were not able to reach terms agreeable to both. When you get down to the nut-cuttin, that is really all there is to it and that is all that needs to be said by anybody. I’m done with that topic for good.

I will let everybody on the board know that you are serious about wanting a solid CSDBA program and are willing to help, at least to some extent. We need Kansas and Oklahoma events and we need more people from those areas that are interested in doing something constructive to help make it bigger and better.

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Sam
There`s no fire left in me on this subject. I`m sorry you misunderstood my post, I wasn't meaning to make them seem that I was on fire. "Yes" I was pissed at first but like I said it would fade and it did so quickly! I stopped working on the boat and started on my race car, it`s all good!

I got a call today from what would have been one of CSDBA newest racers, he bought a new boat and then built a blower motor just to run in the RR1 class with us. He couldn't believe that he has spent the hole winter and all the money to just leave the boat set in the shop. So you see I`m not in this boat alone as I know there are 50 more Teams out there that have spent money for a season that`s not going to happen.

All I wished was that someone would have told us that there was a problem so we would have known what our teams needed to do. I don't think that it would have hurt anything if we were told last September of the ins. problem. I know that I most likely would have still spent the money but at lest I would have known what the chances were.

I may be looking at promoting wrong but I`v always believed that it was always best to be open with my racers because they were my customers and with out them I would be out of business. So far it`s worked and worked good for me. I`v always said that if I had to hide something, it wasn't a solid thing to begin with.

One thing about me is that you`ll always know where you stand with me because I`ll tell ya!
That keep`s the lines of communications open

I`m also done with the Wichita Topic as it was none of my business in the first place.

So lets get the INS thing under way as I`v got two underwriters waiting on info right now.
Getting INS is not a problem but I need to know what needs covered and how much!
I`m sure I can have about 5 to 10 quotes in 2 to 4 weeks.

I do have one thing that I would like to ask... If I can get CSDBA INS. in 2 to 4 weeks are we still off for the 2003 season? I really don't see any reason why we cant just drop the first race and still make the rest if INS is the only problem.

See...I knew there was somebody smarter than everybody else out there. There are only about 4 companies that will underwrite drag boat racing policies and Jet can get "...5 to 10 quotes in 2 to 4 weeks...!"

Check with me Jet...I'll give you a quote, but that doesn't mean that I can get you coverage!

Gary then you get them 4 quotes so we can race! that will save me a lot of time. I just want to race.

Jet:

It's not whether you can get a quote, it's whether you want to pay for the premium.

Evidently the CSDBA (or whichever single individual within the organization made the decision) felt that it was not economically feasible to pay the cost.

Maybe there were other factors that led to the decision not to run this year.

Whatever the reasons, it is irrelevant now. Come South Young Man...We WILL RACE!

I`m working on the truck right now in hopes to get done in time to come south... Annette wants to come back to Waco and with everything she`s been going through I want to try to get her there. We hope to make a test run in the early AM and hit the road...Time will only tell?????

Good Deal...now get off the computer and get the truck fixed!