Geral Laney
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| 21 Feb 2008 02:21 PM |
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I designed a release last night that should work and every team already has the tools to make it work. I don't have a capsule at my shop to see if it can be installed without completely reworking the latch pivot point. Basically you can attach a 1/2" drive breaker bar to the end of the latch handle shaft. Picture a 1/2" drive extension with the drivers release handle attached to the male square end and the female end flush with the capsule lid. You could then attach a breaker bar to the shaft end from the outside and turn the release
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Eddie Knox
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| 21 Feb 2008 03:43 PM |
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Another good idea Geral !!! I'm going to look at my test capsule today and see if that's possible. Mills has a point, that Kaase latch system seems to hold up pretty well. I've also seen Daryl's retro-fit latch system that looks pretty stout. Our new capsule will have one of Daryl's set-ups
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Eddie Knox
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| 21 Feb 2008 09:07 PM |
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After further review, I got the system to work pretty easy. I just needed to finish mounting the guard box so I had something to leverage against. A medium size screwdriver was enough to pop the latches. I'll try to take some photo's of it and post them. I'm driving the capsule to Phoenix this weekend to meet with CF and see if it's what he is looking for. Stay tuned!!!!
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Admin Sims
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| 22 Feb 2008 03:26 AM |
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Eddie great R&D
Here are images of what Eddie has done I must say kudos to Eddie for taking a shoe string concept into a quality solution.
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Rob Scobee
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| 22 Feb 2008 01:17 PM |
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How would tech test the function of the release if the cable comes out the front under the deck? |
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| 22 Feb 2008 01:59 PM |
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desperado430 said...
How would tech test the function of the release if the cable comes out the front under the deck? Good question and I know each boat are diffrent but there is suppose to be a hole in the deck for the steering inspection maybe from there!
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Eddie Knox
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| 22 Feb 2008 02:44 PM |
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Ours has a big inspection cover on the deck. This could also be put on the rear of the capsule if that's what they want. I think the main thing is protecting the cable wherever it should be. I'll find out more about their ideas this weekend.
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Rob Scobee
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| 22 Feb 2008 03:45 PM |
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Any info you have Eddie Is appreciated. If you need help with having your design illustrated I will give you a hand. I'm not sure our inspection cover would be enough room to get in there with a screw driver or pry bar. In our case it would be a nightmare to redirect that kind of cable towards the back of our capsule. I was thinking more in the lines of a free cable not jacketed, light weight and inexpensive comming out the side of the lid itself. I was thinking the big morse type cable would be a pain to keep out of the way when the lid is closed. The slack from the cable might get in the way or get tangled. Did you see any issues with the cable when the lid shuts? |
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Eddie Knox
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| 25 Feb 2008 09:03 PM |
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Just got back from Phoenix!! Charley and some tech guy's had a chance to look it over and we came up with a few ideas of improvement. It was a quickie job so I had something to present for approval, so it can be made smaller. To answer your question 430, it doesn't appear to be a cable problem when shutting the lid but I'm sure it could be with some capsules. I just talked with Andy Dement and he was way impressed with a release made by Hondo Boats Inc. He is going to take some pictures today for us to share on the forum. I will have one in my hand by days end and will report back.
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Eddie Knox
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| 26 Feb 2008 02:11 AM |
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The Hondo "kit" is similar to what I made but much nicer. The kit (if approved) comes with the cable and mounting hardware. The cable has a break strength of almost 3,500 #'s. You probably won't have to remove your capsule either,it flush mounts right below the steering shaft and the cable mounts to the existing passenger side cable tab. No welding is required!!! You will however, have to drill and 1 1/2" hole to recess it. Anyway, the thing is way simple, universal and it will actually work. Pending approval, I'm just going to buy one and be done with it.
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| 26 Feb 2008 02:51 PM |
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Here are the pictures of the Hondo Boats Inc release systen. As stated "they will probably be the only one commercially available in a kit form."
Thanks Eddie for work on this project.
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cole thurston
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| 26 Feb 2008 05:33 PM |
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Sorry the pictures are really crude, I was using my phone. The idea I had was using a breaker bar and a 3/8 extension with a arm on the back side. Use a throttle cable to attach to the arm and link up to your release handle or like the Hondo system has on the hooks. A machined piece of aluminum would house the 3/8" or maybe a 1/2" extension and the arm on the back side would be pinned to it. The hole through the capsule would be roughly 1". Just an idea...<!-- Edit --> Post Edited (pgf500) : 2/26/2008 6:39:25 PM GMT |
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| 26 Feb 2008 05:59 PM |
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I must say I like this idea, seems to over leverage if the cage or pin or whatever is bent.
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robsteele
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| 27 Feb 2008 07:05 PM |
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Cole,
I like this idea, I think you could get an insane ammount of levarage with a 1/2" breaker bar.
If you could put this in the lid of a typical capsule I think you could use a linkage rod instead of a cable and make it strong clean & easy. Rescue would have to get behind a common broach (the 1/2" breaker seems pretty universal and easy). Great Idea.
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cole thurston
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| 27 Feb 2008 08:37 PM |
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Rob I wonder if we could over drill a mounting hole for the window and machine a simular piece to house a 1/2" drive. If we got it close to the release handle we use a solid linkage rod??? |
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robsteele
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| 28 Feb 2008 07:22 PM |
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Cole,
It could probably be done that way, I am just scared of cracking or breaking the window, they are just so expensive and hard to come by. |
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Sparky Rose
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| 01 Mar 2008 04:12 PM |
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Robbie, when you come up with an idea that will work on our lid let me know. I like the breaker bar idea and it seems as for strength and leverage it would be the best. One less cable to worry about would be nice and your capsule's design has served us well and any addition that you add being the manafacturer would be my choice. I wonder if your first idea of going straight through the cage to the release handle could be adapted to the breaker bar/extension. Sparky
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KEVIN MANCEBO
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| 24 Nov 2008 12:21 PM |
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Hat's off to those who began this concept, developed, tested and produced it. Little known fact : We had to use the tool in this weekends crash. It work flawlessly and gave us access to James in about 5 seconds versus an unknown amount of time if we had to gain access any other way.
Nice Work!
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Scott Burrows
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| 24 Nov 2008 06:48 PM |
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Posted By KEVIN MANCEBO on 11/24/2008 1:21 PM
Hat's off to those who began this concept, developed, tested and produced it. Little known fact : We had to use the tool in this weekends crash. It work flawlessly and gave us access to James in about 5 seconds versus an unknown amount of time if we had to gain access any other way.
Nice Work!
Amen to that. This is the result of a lot of brainstorming by a lot of brilliant minds. As far as I am concerned, it has already paid fot itself in one practical application. There were many devoted people that worked on it's developement, but once again, Eddie Knox was at the front of the pack. Thanks again to all those involved. It made what could have been an uncomfortable situation, into a routine task. |
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Eddie Knox
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| 25 Nov 2008 07:06 AM |
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How cool is that??
Something that only a few months back was thought to be unnecessary and a pain in the a$$ would work it's first try.
I may have helped at the start of this device as did a lot of us but I have to give the credit to Hondo Boats for the finished product and for supplying rescue with the tools needed to make it work.
It's pretty neat to have something positive come from discussion, debate, and the desire by all of the racing community to build a better mouse trap!! |
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Jim Lange
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| 25 Nov 2008 08:17 AM |
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Eddie, I agree with you. James Brendell is a brillant man. His burning desire to make Drag Boat Racing safer has saved many lives. His new capsule is a work of art and a better product comes with a price. What is a life worth???? I know that you, James, myself and others are working on new ideas for drag boat safety and hopefully we will soon form the Drag Boat Safety Council. Jim Lange |
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Howard Jaquith
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| 25 Nov 2008 10:23 AM |
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Many years ago in a large race shop I met James within moments he was into a tryant about the modifications racers make to the latching devices and poor fit of a capsule lids. Over the next 30 -45 min I learned more about every piece of the latching device than I ever imagined. One latch we looked at, he showed me the very slight misalingment that would slow or maybe increase the effort to close and secure full engagement of the latchs. Several months later an excited young driver slamed that lid and left on a lic pass, when the boat rolled over the lid opened (it never latched completly on the line) , fortunatly he suffered no life threatening injuries but he did have injuries that would not have happened had the lid stayed closed. James went on to "unload" his car showing me many of his ideas he was working on from titanium cages and resperators, to paper sacks with engineered drawings, formulas for improved fiberglass layup, vacum layups, composite layups. I guess what I am saying is do'nt throw that car away is has lots of valuable info in it (and the dogs do not bite). My 77 Hondo BBC is in final stages (new motor mounts for third time and it will have the original Hondo mfg plate on the dash. HJ
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John Haas
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| 25 Nov 2008 10:25 AM |
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I agree on all said.Butt i have to say watching first hand(I was at the finish line )IHBA rescue guys are the best and i dont know how any one could ask for anything better then what you guys do for us drag boaters.Great job and thanks alot for what you guys do. John Haas |
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Paul Hosler
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| 03 Dec 2008 12:20 PM |
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Thank-you for the kind words, John. Coming from you, that means more than you know.
Eddie Knox...first the cutting tool (which we call the Knox tool) and now the latch release tool. Regardless of who you're trying to give credit to; brother, you are the one who is responsible for this, and you are the guy who gets the pat on the back here. The contrubutions you have made to this sport are off the charts. And once again, thank-you for your donation. Among other things, we used this to purchase new capsule and basket recovery rigging straps for both rescue boats, some boat parts and pieces, and were able to enoy a nice meal and an adult beverage or three for the guys. Thank-you ! |
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kent price
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| 03 Dec 2008 02:14 PM |
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not sure if this is exactly the right thread but i think paul and everybody involved in ihba rescue are absolutly the best, they are on top of every situation and are at the ready.....thanks guys...
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Tod Thompson
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| 03 Dec 2008 05:05 PM |
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If drag boat owners could win the Heisman Trophy Eddie would definitely be the front runner !!!!!!! His love for the sport in every way is evident . Way to go EK. And ditto The cudos to IHBA rescue !!!!!! |
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Paul Hosler
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| 04 Dec 2008 08:13 AM |
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Thanks for your comments as well Kent. And this comes from a guy who has been on my boat a few times! Hey, do me a favor and thank your crew for settling your deal down. The way she was whipping the tail around during T&T, we were convinced that it was only a matter of time until you got wet. Nice work...and congratulations on an outstanding year!
Everyone else who commented on rescue, thank-you too. And I really mean that. Scotty and I have done our best over these past 8 years to assemble a team that is going to be able to give you racers the best shot of getting out of a mess. I think we have done just that. I'm not patting myself on the back, because I just drive the boat and watch these guys work; but I will definitely give them kudos. I was looking at the roster of the crew we had in Phoenix...between the 9 crew members, we had a combined 96 years of field experience in emergency medical response (working paramedics and EMT's) and over 75 years of combined experience in rescue diving. All of these volunteers left their families the week before Thanksgiving, burned as many as 5 days of vacation each, and did the 5AM to 7PM shift all 4 days. That's a heck of a lot to ask of anyone. Especially Curt, who is accustomed to sitting in a Barca Lounger, watching Oprah and drinking Starbucks, delivered by a junior firefighter, in an air conditioned fire station for days at a time. To get him to get up to use the bathroom takes a memo and an IC; so I'm proud of the fact that I am able to consistently get him to the races. (He still doesn't move much, but he's always there when we need him!) Regardless of how annoying all of these clowns are, I wouldn't do this rescue deal with anyone else. Fellas...I'd like to thank you too. Despite what I might say at the track (generally after one of your poorly thought-out pranks), I DO appreaciate all of you. I'm serious. Thank-you for a great year! |
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Jimmy Todd
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| 04 Dec 2008 08:44 AM |
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Fluff Fluff Fluff....I think I am getting a tear to form in my eye right now.
Love ya bro...Jt |
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Paul Hosler
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| 09 Dec 2008 10:15 AM |
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The last time you had a tear was the time you dropped the remote and tried to bend over, JT.
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