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To Shorten or Not To Shorten, That is the Question
Last Post 07 Oct 2009 09:14 PM by Duane Sims. 82 Replies.
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Sean Barnes Pro Racer Pro Racer Send Private Message Posts:46 Sean Barnes
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15 Jul 2008 08:01 PM
Rob
If you turn bakersfeild around you have tules instead of tables


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Greg Padgett Send Private Message Posts:372 Greg Padgett
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16 Jul 2008 04:11 AM
why did you cover up eddie hill and gary martins names on the cardboard?


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Tod Thompson Send Private Message Posts:294 Tod Thompson
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16 Jul 2008 05:49 AM
Sean , I PM'd you back but I do not think it went through .


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Vince Nelson Send Private Message Posts:1019 Vince Nelson
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16 Jul 2008 12:18 PM

You guys really believe shortening the starting line 100' will make that big of a difference?  Aren't most fuelers running over 200 at the 1/8 (660') as it is?  I just don't believe that's the answer to slow them down and making the sport safer.  I think the best way would be to leave it be and put motor restrictions on whoever they want to slow down!!



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Eddie Knox Send Private Message Posts:1044 Eddie Knox
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16 Jul 2008 01:54 PM
Moving the holding rope might change the time slips but I doubt it will change the terminal speed much. Most boats are running out of steam before the finish and have already peaked at about 1,100' - 1,200' Occasionally one of us gets lucky and makes a full pull, i.e. 250 - 260+ mph but not that often. (our 1/8th mile speeds are near 220 mph)
I guess what I'm trying to say is, it would probably be better leaving the starting approach alone and shortening up the course a bit. Our r.t.'s would remain the same and we wouldn't wheelie over the lights. Also the fans see the racing as starting from the rope anyway. (In reality it does start from the rope)
Anyway, just my thoughts on the subject. It can't hurt to make the sport a little safer!
EK


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Tod Thompson Send Private Message Posts:294 Tod Thompson
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16 Jul 2008 05:45 PM
I'm with Eddie on that one .


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kent price Pro Racer Pro Racer Send Private Message Posts:37 kent price
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16 Jul 2008 06:15 PM

i think john and eddie have forgotten more about this subject and drag boat racing  overall then ill ever know so ill leave that alone but in alk  were down to 85% on the blower and ronnie @ dre is doing everthing possible to get us in the 30s and trying to push for the mph rec. what happens to the pursuit of the 1/4 mile recsords.. redbluff is short if you have a chute problem as i well know..just curious 

draggin904



Tod Thompson Send Private Message Posts:294 Tod Thompson
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16 Jul 2008 09:08 PM
I like the idea of running Red Bluff backwards but as far as spectators I might not be ideal. Kent if I'm reading you right , "If it ain't broke don't fix it .


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Sean Barnes Pro Racer Pro Racer Send Private Message Posts:46 Sean Barnes
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16 Jul 2008 10:26 PM

nope it did not



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Bob Prigmore Send Private Message Posts:406 Bob Prigmore
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17 Jul 2008 01:14 PM

i'd go along with whatever eddie or john wanted to do, course length wise.   but my preferance is to leave the starting system alone.  

scotty, 1/8 mile times are very important for sportsmen - there are 1/8 mile indexes in the rule book for windy conditions.   i set my deal up pretty much based on 1/8th et.  



Bob Prigmore Send Private Message Posts:406 Bob Prigmore
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17 Jul 2008 01:17 PM
Posted By Sean Barnes on 07/15/2008 9:01 PM
Rob
If you turn bakersfeild around you have tules instead of tables



yeah, you have a short run of tulies, then about a 75' drop off into a shallow rocky kern river.   dunno about you, but that would be one ride i'd never want to take. 



Lester Bradley Send Private Message Posts:132 Lester Bradley
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17 Jul 2008 11:53 PM

Drag racing is a 1/4 mile and should not be changed!!!! NHRA is dumb to change it. Scott would have still died at a 1000 foot race. What they need to do is make a motor change, like drop the motor to 450 inches or take one mag away or run the blower straight up.  If we changed the staring line to 25 feet that would slow the et down a little but I dont think it will slow the mph much if at all. just mt 2 cents



Tony Scarlata Gold Memeber Gold Memeber Send Private Message Posts:47 Tony Scarlata
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18 Jul 2008 04:12 PM
Posted By Lester Bradley on 07/18/2008 12:53 AM

Drag racing is a 1/4 mile and should not be changed!!!! NHRA is dumb to change it. Scott would have still died at a 1000 foot race. What they need to do is make a motor change, like drop the motor to 450 inches or take one mag away or run the blower straight up.  If we changed the staring line to 25 feet that would slow the et down a little but I dont think it will slow the mph much if at all. just mt 2 cents

 

This just in!!!! The NHRA read this post from Lester Bradley and IMMEDIATELY changed their decision to run 1000' and made the track back to 1320!!!



RON PITTS Send Private Message Posts:416 RON PITTS
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19 Jul 2008 12:26 PM
Posted By Lester Bradley on 07/18/2008 12:53 AM

Drag racing is a 1/4 mile and should not be changed!!!! NHRA is dumb to change it. Scott would have still died at a 1000 foot race. What they need to do is make a motor change, like drop the motor to 450 inches or take one mag away or run the blower straight up.  If we changed the staring line to 25 feet that would slow the et down a little but I dont think it will slow the mph much if at all. just mt 2 cents

How about a Pro limited 1 motor to slow things down.



Jim Dunn Pro Racer Pro Racer Send Private Message Posts:14 Jim Dunn
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05 Sep 2008 08:49 AM
Brien a I went to the wine country to see the 1000 ft blasts, from what we whitnessed the boys have after ? 2 1000 ft shows, figured out how to go 300 + with the ETs in line..and tear up just as many parts as before...and have an extra 320 ft to slowdown in....just change your gears and run the motor harder. It will turn Bakersfield into good fuel coarse again...Whats the PROBLEM Child.....


dave lipinski Gold Memeber Gold Memeber Send Private Message Posts:92 dave lipinski
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02 Oct 2009 07:50 AM
TIME FOR CHANGE AND THE TIME IS NOW.
LUCUS OIL SHOULD STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND COVINCE ALL DRAG BOAT BODIES TO RACE AT 1000 FT. I HAVE BEEN RACING SINCE 1970 AND HAVE SEEN TO MANY CRASHES AT THE FINISH LINE. I HAVE SEEN THE BEST OF THE BEST PERISH AND OR AT LEAST BEEN INJURED FOR LIFE. 95% OF THE CRASHED i'VE SEEN IN OVER 40 YEARS HAVE BEEN AT OR BEYOND THE FINISH LINE. 6 CAPSULE BOATS LOST THIS YR ALONE. MANY LAW SUITS AND MEDICAL BILLS COULD BE PREVENTED OVER THE YRS AND THE FUTURE.

I HOPE TO SEE THIS IN 2010 WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK????????

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Bryton Bobbitt Old Timer Old Timer Send Private Message Posts:32 Bryton Bobbitt
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02 Oct 2009 08:33 PM
I see what side of the ball your coming from, but disagree with it. I may only be a fan, but I know a ton about drag boats. The reason they crash in the capsule classes is (1) they hit a roller or something, which really isin't to preventable, or (2) the parachutes cause the front of the hydro(not necessarily a Flatbottom) to dive, come up and catch too much air. The only thing that might make drag boat racing a little less crash-filled is take out TAF(sorry if I offend any TAF drivers.) Besides that, let them run it out the back door at 1320, more exciting for the fans!


Tony Scarlata Gold Memeber Gold Memeber Send Private Message Posts:47 Tony Scarlata
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03 Oct 2009 11:03 AM

Posted By Bryton Bobbitt on 02 Oct 2009 09:33 PM
I see what side of the ball your coming from, but disagree with it. I may only be a fan, but I know a ton about drag boats. The reason they crash in the capsule classes is (1) they hit a roller or something, which really isin't to preventable, or (2) the parachutes cause the front of the hydro(not necessarily a Flatbottom) to dive, come up and catch too much air. The only thing that might make drag boat racing a little less crash-filled is take out TAF(sorry if I offend any TAF drivers.) Besides that, let them run it out the back door at 1320, more exciting for the fans!


Seriously Bryton,

Get rid of TAF? Not too Bryton!!


Duane Sims aka "The Admin" Send Private Message Posts:936 Duane Sims
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03 Oct 2009 04:34 PM

Going to a shorter course is not a solution to top end crashes, it's a patch and racers will figure out how to get the performance back in a 1000' course. So it only slows down the in editable.

Getting off lakes, rivers, ponds and oceans is the best start. Build more Firebirds lakes across the country with better design for issues that Mother Nature can throw at us along with things we have learned like protected coves for rescue and exit routes for boats under tow.

Sounds a like a good start what do you think?

Oh and don't forget in addition to P.R.O.S. working towards better safety!

 



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cole thurston Send Private Message Posts:96 cole thurston
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03 Oct 2009 07:56 PM
Getting rid of TAF... That is the stupidiest thing I've heard, EVER! I'm going to say 9 times out of 10 a flatbottom doesn't crash itself the driver crashes it.

I'm all for 1000ft racing especially at Ming, Elsinore, San Diego. I'd love to see 3 or 4 tracks like Firebird however I don't think that will ever happen.


Tod Thompson Send Private Message Posts:294 Tod Thompson
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03 Oct 2009 09:00 PM
I'm with Cole ..... EVER!


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Tod Thompson Send Private Message Posts:294 Tod Thompson
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03 Oct 2009 09:03 PM
Why not more races at Firebird ?


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Bryton Bobbitt Old Timer Old Timer Send Private Message Posts:32 Bryton Bobbitt
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03 Oct 2009 10:37 PM
Sorry, didn't mean to tick anyone off, just voicing what I think.


jerry fieseler Pro Racer Pro Racer Send Private Message Posts:19 jerry fieseler
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04 Oct 2009 09:23 AM
I have got to get my two bits in on this subject.All you people are so stuck in the box on how to make our sport safer.Shorten the track.....lower the compression....take away one mag.....bla,bla,bla.To truely see where the problem lies we must look at the boat hulls.There has been no change to the norm in twenty years.If you flip all hydros over,they all look the same on the bottom.The biggest change is horse power. .quite simply what we have now is not supposed to go that damn fast.To shorten the course will not stop crashes. We will figure out a way to go fast in 1000 ft. What next shorten it to 500 ft.Well folks you can chase your tale till you catch it.(you will never catch your own tale) I promiss that real change is coming. We have a great sport and technology has grown everywhere but in the hull design.


Tod Thompson Send Private Message Posts:294 Tod Thompson
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04 Oct 2009 12:54 PM
Outrigger Hydro no progress ????? Sure looks like progress to me .


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ralph richardson Old Timer Old Timer Send Private Message Posts:52 ralph richardson
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05 Oct 2009 02:28 PM
I am no Hydro guy and have only been racing for 6 years now. One thing that really sticks in my head is last year seeing the Toxic Rocket loose a prop at 1/4 track and the boat jumped and went 90 degree sideways and the sat back down. Then Problem Child loosing the whole transom off the boat and settling down. I am sure there are many more, but those types of hull seams to be the way to go.


Duane Sims aka "The Admin" Send Private Message Posts:936 Duane Sims
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06 Oct 2009 12:26 PM
Why not more races at Firebird ? Posted By Tod Thompson on 03 Oct 2009 10:03 PM


The lease on Firebird is soon to be up and from what has been said the Indian Tribe plans develop the property with condo’s and casinos instead of having a race facility.


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jerry fieseler Pro Racer Pro Racer Send Private Message Posts:19 jerry fieseler
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06 Oct 2009 02:27 PM
Hello my prune picken buddy. 1000 ft. would stop the bleeding but will not let the wound to mend.Until there are some sure nuff changes to the norm 1000 ft will work.Another big problem is loss of venues. Because we have no tracks built and designed for uor specific needs we are forced to race where ever we can.Creeks rivers lakes ect...I am sure that change is coming on this problem also. In fact.The designs incorporatewd into the new tracks will stop all the inherant problems at the starting line and will do away with the holding rope all together. It will be a much more erganomic for the driver, crew, fans and sport. It will be damn fun to be there.To have a starting set up that the crew can be as close to the race boat as nhra.Good buy jet skis.good buy 300 ft of rope to the line. hell good buy rope all together.Now I have never been in a capsule boat boat i know it would be more better to be in the starting gate boat already with the capsule lid already shut. no water current. no wind drifting.every driver could Now relax cut a good light and be assured that the boat is pointed straight .Being all that said hello pro-tree.good buy 125 ft. rolling start.wow this is gonna be fun.I promiss not to make the fans gather under the shade trees like cattle. nor will they sit on the ground or in some poison ivy patch on some creek or river. change is needed on more than boat hulls. its coming.If you buid it they will come.thats my motto. got the design. need some investers.


Scott Burrows Send Private Message Posts:1444 Scott Burrows
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06 Oct 2009 03:57 PM
Jerry, the concept sounds pretty good. Why don't you tease us a little more with some basic design elements. For instance, what does the start look like, where crews have access to the boat and I assume the boat is being supported or held in position? How is this accomplished? You have our ears.


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Scott Burrows Send Private Message Posts:1444 Scott Burrows
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06 Oct 2009 04:04 PM

Posted By Duane Sims on 06 Oct 2009 01:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE>Why not more races at Firebird ? Posted By Tod Thompson on 03 Oct 2009 10:03 PM
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The lease on Firebird is soon to be up and from what has been said the Indian Tribe plans develop the property with condo’s and casinos instead of having a race facility.


I have heard yes and no and really don't know. Looking at it from a developers point of view, there are hundreds or thousands of reservation acres vacant, in the immediate vicinity that could be developed. Why would they want to boot a paying customer, especially one that draws tens of thousands of prospective gamblers to within a stones throw of their front door? Just a thought.


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Duane Sims aka "The Admin" Send Private Message Posts:936 Duane Sims
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06 Oct 2009 04:23 PM
Scotty from our side we don't know the real $$$ behind Firebird or the Casino/developement we can only guess.

My personal opinion is... negotiations for renewal is on the table and both sides are playing hard ball. Is there an opportunity for someone like Lucas to step in... Absolutely! In time we will see.


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ralph richardson Old Timer Old Timer Send Private Message Posts:52 ralph richardson
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07 Oct 2009 11:59 AM

Posted By Duane Sims on 06 Oct 2009 05:23 PM
Scotty from our side we don't know the real $$$ behind Firebird or the Casino/developement we can only guess.

My personal opinion is... negotiations for renewal is on the table and both sides are playing hard ball. Is there an opportunity for someone like Lucas to step in... Absolutely! In time we will see.



Is this something that effects the whole property? If that is so, then I could see where Lucas could have an impact with the loss of the water and the asphalt.


Duane Sims aka "The Admin" Send Private Message Posts:936 Duane Sims
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07 Oct 2009 09:14 PM
Ralph yes the entire mototplex


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