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Last Post 07 Feb 2007 04:42 PM by Paul Hosler. 10 Replies.
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Paul Hosler Send Private Message Posts:677 Paul Hosler
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07 Feb 2007 04:42 PM
When two alleged "experts" give entirely different numbers, it's time to turn to the guys who really know this stuff...drag boat racers. 
 
I'm looking for the formula for mixing fuels and determining a final octane rating.  Theoretically, you should be able to mix a gallon of 100 octane and a gallon of 90 octane and end up with two gallons of 95 octane; however I understand that this is not the case; and that there is a mathematical formula for calculating this out. 
 
So can someone help me out here?  I need to to bump some 115  racing gas down to 97, with an error of +/- 1.
 
(Yeah, Kevin...you guessed it right.  After the drag racer guy told me to mix 35 gallons of 93 with 15 gallons of 115, I am told that this will be too hot for our tune-up and the sled will not run...as I discovered last year when I tried to run straiget 115!)


Paul Hosler
National Rescue Director
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Jeff Andrade Trick Pony 557 T/E Send Private Message Posts:937 Jeff Andrade
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07 Feb 2007 05:48 PM
Paul, we were going to try mixing some ERC 110 half and half with some 91 pump gas for my friends snowmobile.  When you say the 115 was to hot, what did it do to the sled.   


Jeff Andrade'
Cash Advance Racing
Trick Pony 557 T/E

Jeff Andrade'
Cash Advance Racing
Trick Pony 557 T/E
Paul Hosler Send Private Message Posts:677 Paul Hosler
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07 Feb 2007 09:14 PM

Hey Jeff.  How's it going?  Fortunately I didn't damage the motor; it just didn't want to run.  (It sounded and smelled great warming up in the trailer, but that's about it). 

If your buddy has a stock sled that he's going to use for recreational riding, your proposed fuel mixture is not going to work.  They are programmed at the factory to run on 91 or 92 pump gas.  If you try to run anything more, you'll notice a power loss and it won't RPM up. 


Paul Hosler
National Rescue Director
I.H.B.A.

Paul Hosler
National Rescue Director
I.H.B.A.
Jeff Andrade Trick Pony 557 T/E Send Private Message Posts:937 Jeff Andrade
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07 Feb 2007 10:05 PM
Thanks for saving us the grief.  I would have looked like a big dummy
after telling him how fast his sled was going to run with some 110...
See you in Redbluff...smurf



Jeff Andrade'
Cash Advance Racing
Trick Pony 557 T/E

Jeff Andrade'
Cash Advance Racing
Trick Pony 557 T/E
Eddie Knox Send Private Message Posts:1044 Eddie Knox
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09 Feb 2007 03:05 PM

I'm not sure what the ratio is, but we used to mix 15 ga's pump with 5 ga's race for a variety of things. Boats, dirt bikes etc. I do know that an engine only needs the octane it can use, and the rest is a waist. Hos' is right (I know, sounds strange) 115 will make a 91 engine run worse. The higher the octane the slower the fuel burns, thus it's need for high compression engines.

And if you listen to any of that garble, you'll be burnin' some aluminum soon. confused



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robert cotner Send Private Message Posts:913 robert cotner
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10 Feb 2007 02:14 AM
Is 110 to hot for a 12-1 motor?


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Riverbottom Racing
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Sanger Ca.
Tim Townsend Send Private Message Posts:338 Tim Townsend
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10 Feb 2007 03:08 AM
I run 110 in my 12.5:1. Been using it since 03.


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robert cotner Send Private Message Posts:913 robert cotner
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10 Feb 2007 11:22 PM

Thanks Joey

cool


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Cotner Bros. Farming
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Sanger Ca.
Tim Townsend Send Private Message Posts:338 Tim Townsend
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11 Feb 2007 03:25 PM
I was told octane rating has to do with compression, combustion chamber and RPM. I've used Cam2, Torco, and VP all 110 and seen no difference. Ran some VP117 in a 9:1 motor with no2. Boat ran the same without no2 on the 117 as it did with 110.


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Pro Flat Gold Memeber Gold Memeber Send Private Message Posts:33 Pro Flat
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28 Mar 2007 07:33 PM

Not sure if this was answered or not, but if you are mixing two unleaded fuels or two leaded fuels, then you can mix a gallon of 100 octane and a gallon of 90 octane and end up with two gallons of 95 octane.

If you mix a leaded fuel and an unleaded fuel then the equation doesnt work.

Is is true that an octane number is based on RPM.  Octane is a knock rating.  To get the final octane (like what you see at a gas station), the fuel is run through a motor at 600 rpm and the engine knock is quantified.  This is the RON.  Then the fuel is run through the motor at 900 rpm and the engine knock is quantified.  This is the MON. 

The RON is added to the MON and divided by 2.  Giving the final octane rating.  This is why you see (R+M)/2 printed on the gas pumps.

On this trailer....you know the rest !
Eddie Knox Send Private Message Posts:1044 Eddie Knox
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29 Mar 2007 02:11 PM

There you have it, a REAL explaination.

Thanks for the input!!

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